tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post3253061707425081097..comments2024-03-18T08:20:19.461+00:00Comments on Transpontine: White Hart Lap Dancing Application - Licensing CommitteeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-46291484196777030652008-08-14T11:49:00.000+00:002008-08-14T11:49:00.000+00:00I concur with Bill and as Vice chair of the Creeks...I concur with Bill and as Vice chair of the Creekside forum I will be attending this meeting. We are having a lot of developments being ear marked for our area of the world and I am wondering if this kind of under hand dealing by the council is just an effor to circumnavigate our rights to be informed in local papers of any changes of usage, licencing and developments. The loot is not a local paper and so cannot come under the remit of the act. However the Mercury, Southest London Press and the Shopper are local papers and these changes should have been advertised in them. Was it only avertised in The Loot so that protesting would be down to a minimum or as Bill said is it total ignorance of the licencing act. If it is ignorance then it asks the question why are they employed in an area where they have no working knowledge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-31339695108887063982008-08-11T15:09:00.000+00:002008-08-11T15:09:00.000+00:00@ bill, thanks for the clarification of the law, I...@ bill, thanks for the clarification of the law, I don't think many people in Lewisham would define Loot as a local paper, even if technically it is a London paper..https://www.blogger.com/profile/17026835814805695527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-57626187391270320082008-08-09T21:15:00.000+00:002008-08-09T21:15:00.000+00:00Thank you for your excellent coverage of this - as...Thank you for your excellent coverage of this - as you say, it's been hard to find information anywhere else. I won't be able to attend the meeting, but fingers crossed all the objections will have an effect.CarolineLDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00197813252586559665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-9736359028093599932008-08-09T13:42:00.000+00:002008-08-09T13:42:00.000+00:00Democratic DeficitThis is outside the Creekside Fo...<B>Democratic Deficit</B><BR/>This is outside the Creekside Forum area but we are extremely concerned that the Council may try and sneak through similiar applications in Deptford.<BR/><BR/>Paragraph 3 of the committee paper for Thursday states:<BR/>"The application was advertised in accordance with the regulations (premises notice and Loot 9 July 2008 )" <BR/><BR/>You can search through the committee papers but you will not find any clue as to which regulations apply. In fact it is The Licensing Act 2003 (Premises licences and club premises certificates) Regulations 2005 that regulate such applications and Regulation 25 states <I>inter alia</I> <B>"...the person making the application shall advertise the application,.. ...in a local newspaper..."</B>.<BR/><BR/>The assertion by council officers that the application was advertised in accordance with the regulations is therefore untrue. There are three applications on Thursday's agenda only one of which was advertised in a local newspaper. The advertisement for Ginos in Catford was also placed in Loot. This suggests that LB Lewisham staff are either ignorant of the Regulations, which is entirely possible, or that they are deliberatly disregarding them. <BR/><BR/>Obviously if people do not know about an application then they are unlikely to object. <BR/><BR/>The applicant is required to publicise the application, but there is nothing to stop the council the council carrying out further consultation. The council has a database of postal addresses and mapping software that is used to notify people of planning applications and there is no reason why it should not be used to notify local people of an application of this nature. <BR/><BR/>There has been a massive loss of pubs in south east London in recent years and if Mr Linwood's application suceeds then the White hart will no longer, in most people's understanding, be a pub. <BR/><BR/>The sex industry has always been with us and always will be, but in what is meant to be a democratic society people are entitled to know of and be able to comment on such an application.<BR/><BR/>I have no doubt that some spotty brat from Lewisham Legal will try and tell us that black is white and white is black on Thurday evening. We need as many people attending the committee as possible to make it clear to councillors and officers that we expect them to refuse the application and that we expect officers to apply the regulations properly in the future.<BR/><BR/>The regulations can be found at:<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/6cwqyp<BR/><BR/>I have some longrunning problem in posting to any blogger site from the office computer. If anybody wants to contact the Forum then they can do so on 020 8692 5666 or creeksidecf AT freeuk.comThe Grim Reaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17369913438808659085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-86536520871347593752008-08-08T09:37:00.000+00:002008-08-08T09:37:00.000+00:00I had to change buses just by this pub late last n...I had to change buses just by this pub late last night, and it occurred to me that I'd be far more reluctant to do so if it was a strip joint. It made me feel extremely vulnerable despite being a busy, well-populated interchange even in the evenings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-66391072380017229122008-08-07T22:46:00.000+00:002008-08-07T22:46:00.000+00:00Thanks Sue, I assume that the legal minimum is to ...Thanks Sue, I assume that the legal minimum is to put a notice near the premises (in this case in the middle of one of the busiest roads in London) and in a newspaper - the choice of Loot seems mildy eccentric. I'm sure there's no regulation that prevents at the very least making details of applications available online..https://www.blogger.com/profile/17026835814805695527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-20320638395493330542008-08-07T21:12:00.000+00:002008-08-07T21:12:00.000+00:00Licensing applications are publicised a lot less t...Licensing applications are publicised a lot less than planning apps. Planning (usually) send letters to neighbouring properties and local amenities societies, whereas for licensing apps, the applicant only has to stick a notice in the window and licensing e-mail cllrs. Not sure whether licensing is actually prevented from doing further consultation, or if they just do the legally-required minimum.<BR/><BR/>Re lap-dancing clubs, it's worth looking at the campaign that the Fawcett Society, <A HREF="http://www.object.org.uk/LapDancing.html" REL="nofollow">Object </A>and a coalition of groups have calling for a change in law to close the loop-hole that means lap-dancing clubs are not currently classified as a sex encounter establishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com