tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post4641520993141752114..comments2024-03-18T08:20:19.461+00:00Comments on Transpontine: Nick Drake in SE London?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-87434660112226085342023-11-04T11:09:01.368+00:002023-11-04T11:09:01.368+00:00I used to live in New Cross, and I thought maybe f...I used to live in New Cross, and I thought maybe from Telegraph Hill the river would be visible, but I don't think it is. There is now a drone shot on google maps from above Maryon Park, which is possibly new since the last post here (2018). And it's over fifty years between it and the pictures of Nick, so many buildings will have changed, but I think enough are the same to confirm Maryon Park as the site of the photoshoot. It was odd to call it New Cross, which is more than three miles away.NSBarnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10249259537406803842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-23736914160876947112018-12-13T13:36:11.319+00:002018-12-13T13:36:11.319+00:00Again just in case this page is still being found,...Again just in case this page is still being found, i just moved near Charlton so thought i'd check it out! found that the best way to get there was to go to Pound Park Road (stop G), in the south west corner of maryon park, there's a little corner entrance to Gilbert's pit right next to the bus-stop, follow the path, go through and past the quarry/pit and a way further on up the path you come to a junction, turn right and go to the top of the hill up the steps and you're there! Thought maybe worth sharing here as found it really hard in the end to find it coming from the main part of the park, which i think its not really attached to by paths. but really recommend giving it a look! the dormer window, older warehouses and old school building all match in the view, and also found really near by remnants of some identical railing as in the old photos. Many thanks to this page for pointing me the way there! /var/folders/7v/vch7pvnd159g3gbvwms5h0rw0000gn/T/com.apple.iChat/Messages/Transfers/IMG_6731.JPGKit Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01088130430797319579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-45738233509852824482018-02-08T22:09:23.116+00:002018-02-08T22:09:23.116+00:00Just in case people are still reading this - I onl...Just in case people are still reading this - I only came across it today when I picked up a copy of Mojo magazine that had a photo of Nick Drake labelled as 'New Cross' and I thought that it couldn't be because that's nowhere near the Thames...<br /><br />The picture at https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3932/15526650612_64ba09b2d9_b.jpg appears to be taken from an identical location as the colour photo albeit many years later. The building with the dormer window referenced by Jason is again clearly visible.Phil Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-18186862306541932912015-04-07T10:52:18.479+00:002015-04-07T10:52:18.479+00:00The neon sign in Blow Up was a prop.The neon sign in Blow Up was a prop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-28737508830690320452014-09-06T15:59:55.836+00:002014-09-06T15:59:55.836+00:00hello. the location ts cox*s mount with north silv...hello. the location ts cox*s mount with north silvertown anf tate & lyles plaistow works in the background.on the subject of film blow up does anyone know what the tall illuminated sign was whrn the photographer went back to the patk ay night ???.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-53761231113696736162013-10-23T10:50:00.200+00:002013-10-23T10:50:00.200+00:00What a beautiful man, tragic 8(What a beautiful man, tragic 8(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-5987492268630121022012-07-08T00:42:09.837+00:002012-07-08T00:42:09.837+00:00http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgeezer/5331028947/http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgeezer/5331028947/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-38466972344988204722012-06-01T06:51:33.280+00:002012-06-01T06:51:33.280+00:00Thanks Jason, yes I agree it's definitely Gilb...Thanks Jason, yes I agree it's definitely Gilbert's Pit..https://www.blogger.com/profile/17026835814805695527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-52363418530092467562012-05-31T22:55:18.990+00:002012-05-31T22:55:18.990+00:00In the colour photo, on the left and half way up t...In the colour photo, on the left and half way up there is a white building with distinctive window spacing. Move right from them and you can see the roof of a house with a large dormer window in it's roof. These are here<br /><br />https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=51.491127,0.037084&spn=0.00067,0.00327&t=h&layer=c&cbll=51.491127,0.037084&panoid=-kY9bt-R8f0JIJckC9z3ZQ&cbp=11,25.15,,0,-8.25&z=19<br /><br />Once you've found that you can see the large building with the gently rising roof (now much grubbier) and the small building in front of it. That puts the photo location at Gilbert's Pit.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12253717421568366411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-54710347953050548272012-05-14T19:53:48.366+00:002012-05-14T19:53:48.366+00:00Just added a bit about the photographer Keith Morr...Just added a bit about the photographer Keith Morris, 1960s apprentice to David Bailey, on whom the David Hemmings character in Blow-up was based, which was filmed in Maryon Park....https://www.blogger.com/profile/17026835814805695527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-60118023374516860042012-05-14T07:51:04.833+00:002012-05-14T07:51:04.833+00:00yes, fascinating - i was the original 'Maryon ...yes, fascinating - i was the original 'Maryon Wilson' speculator and I was coming round more to the bend in the river being the point where the dome is now, but it's fascinating to see how it's changed. <br /><br />All we need now is that the pictures were taken there as some kind of 'homage' to Blow Up - perhaps Nick Drake was one of the 'invisible tennis players' or perhaps the photographer had some association with either the park or the film.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-22928616912975876882012-05-14T06:54:42.042+00:002012-05-14T06:54:42.042+00:00OK I've added in a couple of views taken from ...OK I've added in a couple of views taken from the same location, one recently and one a hundred years ago, and I think they support the Maryon Park theory. Great anyway that these old Nick Drake photos have got people out looking at their area with a bit more attention. Both sites mentioned are well worth a visit if you're not familiar with that part of SE London..https://www.blogger.com/profile/17026835814805695527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-52068440602071034782012-05-13T18:15:35.708+00:002012-05-13T18:15:35.708+00:00Just to add to the vote for Maryon Park/Cox's ...Just to add to the vote for Maryon Park/Cox's Mount being the location for the photo. Like Mary, I've just been up to the church in Woolwich, and agree with Otter that there's too much land between the viewpoint and the river for it to be Woolwich. I'm sure too, that the building is the Lyle factory at Plaistow Wharf. <br /><br />Looking at a map of the area for the 1960s, there is a large piece of open space just south of Herringham Road which contained what looks like a sand pit, and which had been built on by the 70s. I think this is the flat area behind Nick, not Woolwich Dockyard or Cubows. <br /><br />Since Cox's Mount is now inaccesible, and the Lyle factory long demolished, it is probably going to be almost impossible to be 100% definitive on the exact viewpoint.valley_girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11990969579914012698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-48564085592789050092012-05-13T18:11:45.286+00:002012-05-13T18:11:45.286+00:00Just to add to the vote for Maryon Park/Cox's ...Just to add to the vote for Maryon Park/Cox's Mount being the location for the photo. Like Mary, I've just been up to the church in Woolwich, and agree with Otter that there's too much land between the viewpoint and the river for it to be Woolwich. I'm sure too, that the building is the Lyle factory at Plaistow Wharf. <br /><br />Looking at a map of the area for the 1960s, there is a large piece of open space just south of Herringham Road which contained what looks like a sand pit, and which had been built on by the 70s. I think this is the flat area behind Nick, not Woolwich Dockyard or Cubows. <br /><br />Since Cox's Mount is now inaccesible, and the Lyle factory long demolished, it is probably going to be almost impossible to be 100% definitive on the exact viewpoint.valley_girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11990969579914012698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-67033586007684315162012-05-13T15:14:10.391+00:002012-05-13T15:14:10.391+00:00These look like the houses on Woolwich Rd to me. I...These look like the houses on Woolwich Rd to me. I lived at number 648 for 16 yrs directly opposite the Victoria pub. The place he's walking along at the top by the railings is definately the pit or as I know it Cox Mount. I played over there throughout my childhood scaling down the pit and onto the stones below. I lost an uncle to the pit during the 60's who fell over the edge.<br /><br /><br />BenBennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-66287238770162199232012-05-13T14:35:27.783+00:002012-05-13T14:35:27.783+00:00So we now have two clear contenders - Maryon Park ...So we now have two clear contenders - Maryon Park and the churchyard at St Mary Magdelene in Woolwich. As Mary has visited the latter today and is very knowledgeable about industrial history of the area I am inclined towards the latter. I haven't been to either for a couple of years but will have to and have a look myself unless someone can clinch it with some photographic evidence.<br /><br />Interesting that the Church isn't shown in any of the pictures (if that's where it is), but then again I guess what they are supposed to represent is Drake as something of a pastoral outsider separated from the 'industrial wasteland' of London..https://www.blogger.com/profile/17026835814805695527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-48747426015239178742012-05-13T14:17:22.497+00:002012-05-13T14:17:22.497+00:00Well - I just went up to Woolwich Churchyard and I...Well - I just went up to Woolwich Churchyard and I guess that's it. The new flats on the Cubow site get in the way a bit and there are new flats and the barrier as well in the way. There are now only two chimney's on Tate and Lyle (but there were three) - so I think that is where it is. Bit of an obscure location though - but very nice - lots of people sitting in sun, stroppy squirrels and stuff today.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-2075102491643747782012-05-13T13:27:15.727+00:002012-05-13T13:27:15.727+00:00Thanks Mary - so what's your view now on the l...Thanks Mary - so what's your view now on the location of the photos?.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17026835814805695527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-81564482187391400442012-05-13T12:49:58.019+00:002012-05-13T12:49:58.019+00:00right, start again:
the building with two chimneys...right, start again:<br />the building with two chimneys in the distance is Blackwall (or Brunswick, which was the oriignal name) Power Station. That was on the north bank directly opposite the Dome. So, we are looking up river towards the apex of the Peninsula at a point at which the river bends sharply south.<br />The three chimneys to the right of that are definitely Tate and Lyle - or rather Tate's Cube Sugar Works. The current arrangements on the jetty now were not then installed. (I could check the date) In the coloured picture you can see cranes in either the George V or the Victoria and in front along the river a group of sheds on Thameside Industrial Estate - many of which may well be still there - by the early 1970s many of the more traditional dockside industries had gone. But if you go along Factory Road you can see both them and Tates.<br />I have found a similar view of the river showing Cubows - this was on the site of the newish flats just this side of the ferry. It shows many of the same features on the north bank, and also some of the foreground buildings on the Cubow site.<br />I'm sorry - this is a bit of a rerun of the previous comment but I have checked it against pictures and maps - but not dates. I guess the cleared site below is for the Dockyard Estate. <br />But what ever is that being towed down river?Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-65881691625458675692012-05-13T11:41:55.863+00:002012-05-13T11:41:55.863+00:00Keep going, I'm not leaving the house till I g...Keep going, I'm not leaving the house till I get a definitive location.Deptford Puddinghttp://www.deptfordpudding.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-15410912943331892062012-05-13T10:06:27.975+00:002012-05-13T10:06:27.975+00:00@ Anon - hadn't factored in possibility of pic...@ Anon - hadn't factored in possibility of picture being flipped, nice touch checking the shirt buttons!.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17026835814805695527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-88755326453074529302012-05-13T10:01:19.937+00:002012-05-13T10:01:19.937+00:00oh, you beat me too it with the east/west thing Tr...oh, you beat me too it with the east/west thing Trans.<br /><br />I thought that the picture may have been 'flipped' but I don't think it has been, judging by the way the buttons go on his shirtAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-43288200113309121742012-05-13T09:59:19.360+00:002012-05-13T09:59:19.360+00:00Surely, if thats the Tate and Lyle factory then th...Surely, if thats the Tate and Lyle factory then that would be East of Maryon Wilson park, and I get the feeling the pictures are looking West - it's also not clear which way the river is going up on the top left of the picture as wellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-18230454907874928862012-05-13T09:15:10.364+00:002012-05-13T09:15:10.364+00:00Otter - that makes sense. I couldn't work out ...Otter - that makes sense. I couldn't work out how it could be Maryon Park if those are the Tate & Lyle works at Silvertown, as Maryon Park is to the west of that site, whereas in the picture Drake appears to be upstream/East of the factory. But if that factory is next to Lyle Park that fits, as does the fact that it would appear to be on the bend of the river from Maryon Park (the site by Lyle Park isn't Tate & Lyle now though, assume there was a previous factory on that site).https://www.blogger.com/profile/17026835814805695527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8650332.post-46102992067720383592012-05-13T09:02:05.750+00:002012-05-13T09:02:05.750+00:00Second thoughts: yes it is from Gilbert's Pit;...Second thoughts: yes it is from Gilbert's Pit; there's too much between the viewpoint and the river for anywhere further east, but the works on the other side of the river would be the Lyle works not the big T & L works at Silvertown. What looks a little like stuff heaped near it might be the trees of Lyle Park - photo's a bit muddy.Otternoreply@blogger.com